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De l'orthographe à l'ortograf • Voir le sujè - Enfin une propozision réaliste

De l'orthographe à l'ortograf

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 Sujè du méssaje: Re: Enfin une propozision réaliste
MéssajePublié: 06 Jan 2010, 21:49 
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@ikeul

(j'utilizeré lè « tolérançe » dan çèt réponse)

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"il y orè donk dé écar a la règle otorizé é d'otre non"

---> Je m'aperçoi qe le tèrme 'tolérançe' a peu-t ètre été msal choizi. Il ne s'aji pa d'èrreur ou de « fote » qi serè « toléré » come qq qi serè dézagréable mè suportable. On pourè pluto parlé de variasion stilistiqe, çèrtène lètre on un signe alternatif de substitution ki on une utilité, du moin tenporèremen (ressenblançe avèc l'ançiène grafi, étimoloj, etc). on ne parle pa de fote ou d'écar, le doublemen opsionèl dè consone è du mème ordre.

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"Il fodrè donk aprandre cette liste, se ki conplike le code..."

---> Une petite liste d'une dizène de lètre, ocune obligasion de lè-z utilizé tou juste lè reconètre.

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"Byin sur, il fo être tolèran mè dan l'absolu, pour toute lé petite fote"

---> Parfètemen d'acor. On peu signal l'écar, suremen pa le sancsioné.

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"le nouvo kode ortografike pèr de sa krédibilité -il é pèrsu kom tro souple, se ne peu-t être une référanse."

---> La souplèsse n'intèrdi pa une forme de baze, pur, de référençe. Ex. 'référençe' en sachanqe le 'ç' è une variante du 's' é qe le 'e' di muè è facultatif on retrouve la forme de baze du dicsionère: 'référans'.

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"Je croua ke lé jan... on bezouin d'une norme fikse...Avouar le droua d'écrire un mème mo de troua fason diférante, pour moua, é plus un inkonvényin k'otre choze"

---> C'è un dè mite de « l'orthographe » qi n'arive mème pa à çèt idéal: clé/clef, lys/lis, évènemen/ événement é dè milié d'otre... l'orthographe d'avant le XVIIIe étè trè libre.

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"...kar sela ne leur pèrmè pa de travayé dan de bone kondition leur nouvo aprantisaje de l' ortografe é de la lèkture."

---> On peu se contenté d'écrire avèc la forme de baze é n'aprendre qe la petite liste pour décodé çeu qi utilize tolér... pardon! lè variante.

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"J'è vu k'an se moman, O Québec, le ministère de l'édukasyon a mi an plase tou un plan pour fère rekonètre lé "ptite" rèctificasyon de 1990.
koman sela se pase-t-il ? "

---> Lè consèrvateur cri o scandale mè ça va passé come en Suisse é en Bèljiqe.


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 Sujè du méssaje: Re: Enfin une propozision réaliste
MéssajePublié: 12 Jan 2010, 05:29 
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 Sujè du méssaje: If I restore my computer will it get rid of trojan viruses?
MéssajePublié: 19 Jan 2010, 19:17 
My computer was acting real funny, hanging up in the middle of processes, not letting me access task manager to quit them, etc.. I started in Safe Mode with networking and completed a full virus scan. I ran Chkdsk and it took 18 hours. It replaced bad clusters in about 20 files. Now Windows won't start. It gives me the option to repair and I click on it, but nothing ever happens other than a black screen with my cursor arrow on it. I tried to start Windows normally and the same thing happens. Please only answer if you know what you're talking about. Teens trying to up their points count by giving stupid answers will get thumbs down.


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 Sujè du méssaje: Help!! My System Restore won't work...?
MéssajePublié: 19 Jan 2010, 21:54 
my computer was attacked by viruses and supposedly I need a license key....


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 Sujè du méssaje: Re: Enfin une propozision réaliste
MéssajePublié: 22 Jan 2010, 09:26 
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Dite don Dennis & Konder, Kèske vou fouté isi?


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 Sujè du méssaje: What fixed my computer?
MéssajePublié: 25 Jan 2010, 16:59 
For some reason while I had windows vista, I started to get blue screens constantly. I than installed windows xp and the computer was a'lot faster but still, I got the blue screens. There are no viruses on my computer. I don't know much about fixing computers, so hopefully I won't have to take something out or whatever inside my computer, im hoping I can just fix this problem by doing something ON the computer. ***The blue screens will only appear if I basically have alot of graphic material running on the computer, such as if I start a game, play a move, or video on youtube. I think I remember my brother telling me that the problem could be some driver he put in, but he didn't know for sure. Hes the computer genious and the mr. fix it in the house. But he's never home and won't ever look at the problem and fix it. (Please someone help me, I have searched all over google with no solutions.) The most common errors I get on the blue screen are: irql_not_less_or_equal driver_irql_not_less_or_equal Here is my recent error logs starting from today :(Some may be the same as other error logs, but youll be able to see which problem occurs the msot) The device, \Device\Scsi\nvidesm1, did not respond within the timeout period. The device, \Device\Scsi\nvidesm1, did not respond within the timeout period. The wscsvc service failed to start due to the following error: The executable program that this service is configured to run in does not implement the service. The device, \Device\Scsi\nvidesm1, did not respond within the timeout period. The wscsvc service failed to start due to the following error: The executable program that this service is configured to run in does not implement the service. The device, \Device\Scsi\nvidesm1, did not respond within the timeout period. The device, \Device\Scsi\nvidesm1, did not respond within the timeout period. ***So I guess something is reall messed up with that error above, since I have had how many error logs with that message. Please, someone tell me how to fix this, it is so annoying having to restart my computer constantly and losing stuff. I can't play my favorite games anymore because of this.


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 Sujè du méssaje: Re: Enfin une propozision réaliste
MéssajePublié: 29 Jan 2010, 10:44 
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Tu voua, ykeul, a par trè peu de peti problèm de choua de sign, il è fasil de kréé un nouvo kod ki atribu un seul sign a chak son é ki n'ékri ke se ki se pronons. Se ki è bokou plu difisil, s'è de le fèr aksèpté. L'OrAl pur è pèrsu par dé jan kom toua é moua kom klèr kan-t on se konsantr, kom tu di, sur la pronsyasyon an ékrivan é an lizan osi, d'ayeur. Mè, [ è-s k'on a le droua de dir 'maleureuzman'(?)] il y an a d'otr pèrsone pour ki l'OrAl è tro "radikal", ki son pourtan prè a aksèpté une ortograf réformé sou la form de "l'OrAl plus lé tolérans". Sela a lé dézavantaj ke tu dékri, mè l'avantaj d'une ékritur ki dan 90% dé ka suprim lé lètr muèt, lèksikal é gramatikal, un dé but prinsipo.

Pèrsonèlman je me sui toujour angajé pour l'OrAl pur, pour lé mèm rèzon ke tu évok. :D
Pour moua, le choua du sign "q" a la plas du "k" pour le son [k] è-t une tolérans ki ne port pa atint a l'OrAl pur. :)


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 Sujè du méssaje: Re: Enfin une propozision réaliste
MéssajePublié: 02 Avr 2010, 08:23 
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[quote="Mario Périard"]L'inkoérans konsist à ne pa savoir komam écrir korèkteman un mo prononsé ou koman prononsé korèktemen un mo ékri an fonksyon de règle doné.

J'atan toujour k'on m'amène un seul ègzanple d'inkoérans en vètu de la définisyon ki présèd.[/quote]

Signe me répondè sela
[[[D'abord la réponse: Le "ç" est utilisé pour le son [s] "si çela pèrmè une plu grande ressenblançe avèc l'ançiène grafi."
Sela vo égaleman pour le doubleman de konsone ou le "en" o lyeu du "an", èts. : "ressenblançe". On ne l'utilisra pa pour dé ka kom selui-si: "reçenblançe".]]]

Pour pouvoir ékrire, par egzanple
ressenblançe, avèk lé "bone"toléranse-, il fo se réfèré a l'ansyin kode é
s'é sela ki me parè inkoéran...

Pour ékrire an OrAl, j'ésè de me mètre le pluse posible an mode Oral pur du débu a la fin du tèkste..An clèr, tou lé [an], AN, tou lé [se] s é j'ésè d'oublié la graphie tradisyonèle..
Pour ceu ki ne son pa bon du tou an ortograf tradisyonèl, sa doua rajouté de la konfuzyon, non ?

Sè toléranse pourè même être sourse de fote si l'ortograf "reçenblançe" è inkorèkte..


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 Sujè du méssaje: Re: Enfin une propozision réaliste
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coucou, ankor moua !

Je vyin d'alé sur le twitter indiké kèlke par isi.
J'è regardé lé afiche.

POurkoua "apartièn"
Pourkoua "enten"

Le tradisyonèl "ien" s'antan i-in
é le 'en' ne s'antan pa toujour !!


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koukou, ykeul.
Je n'é pa ankor regardé le twitter, mè tu poz dé kèstyon pèrtinant. :)


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